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price hi everyone and welcome back to

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that UFO podcast my name is Andy and

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it's been a week since the UFO hearings

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in the United States of America and

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joining me to discuss that on a

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breakdown along with a few other news

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stories that have popped up this week is

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Dan Dan welcome hello hello my second

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show back with a decent microphone it's

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uh yeah it's nice

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and not a particularly decent internet

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connection but we'll see how it goes

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hopefully it doesn't cut off but people

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out there will never know yeah people

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like that will never know due to the

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magic of editing and hitting the record

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button again

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um but yeah a few things to discuss the

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hearings reaction uh John Ramirez on

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Fade to Black made some interesting

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comments that have been picked up online

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today James Fox on Joe Rogan some chat

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around it anomalies being picked up in

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Skinwalker Ranch and Brazil and a little

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bit more sprinkled throughout as well so

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let's get straight into the reaction Dan

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it's been a week since we talked about

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the and the aftermath of the hearings

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um mixed reactions from Maine I think

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that's probably still been the case

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afterwards as well

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um I shared at the time just to refresh

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folks and I don't think I've changed too

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much that I was I was largely

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disappointed to uh Senator gillibran's

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follow-ups and

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lack of Hardline questions to Dr Sean

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Kirkpatrick however I'm still hanging my

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hat on the fact that the classified

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portion of the briefing being first that

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apparently was much better attended much

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much more well attended God that's awful

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grammar insert whatever grammar you want

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there but there were more people there

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um so it seems like it was far better

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far better attended I don't know why

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that sounds so odd to say

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um I'm hoping that she heard enough

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there from Sean Kirkpatrick that she

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didn't push the questioning in the next

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part and it seemed more geared towards

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her offering support that he would

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require to do the work he wanted to do

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even though he seemed less committal to

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the UFO side of things than we would

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maybe have liked in the UFO Community

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whatever you want to call it

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yeah slightly disappointed still but not

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not you know not devastated and what

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about uobicon yeah I mean it's been

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interesting seeing certain people in the

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community like Tim McMillan geek you

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know I Richard Dolan cobal judge Knapp

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see seeing what takes they uh had on

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this because you know different

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highlights to us you know everyone's

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different and that's the nice thing

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about this subject is we all kind of

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have a puzzle piece right we see it in

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um for me it's very much uh you know

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um ultimately it's kind of Choose Your

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Own Adventure you know that that

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statement uh of no credible evidence of

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ET that seems to have galvanized both

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the Believers and the debunkers into

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their respective extremes uh you know

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for the bunkers that means oh yeah

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they're all balloons for believers that

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means oh he's part the cover-up and and

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truth is somewhere in the middle

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um and it certainly seems like

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Kirkpatrick kind of enjoys a good chess

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game but knows the board is raked I

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would say you know uh he's starting to

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basically title 50 access or information

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intelligence missions carried out by the

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CIA nro and GA NSA you know all those

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three letter agencies basically all the

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good stuff Arrow seems to only have

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access to about 20 of the sensors that

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they need so when they kind of look at

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that orb video for example and they say

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there's no way we can solve this there

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could be other sensors that we're

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looking in that place but they just

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in the hearing Senator LeBron said you

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know hey can you help us write the

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language that would get you that access

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um and Kirkpatrick responded very

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politically and you know kind of said

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yeah you know what we'll come up with a

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plan and kind of sort her out between

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don't trust Arrow to do its job yet

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so it's interesting that that you know

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he was very positive but ultimately he

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was like you know the test is in front

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of us it remains to be seen whether

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they're going to tow the line or whether

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they're going to go running into the

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places where the Legacy programs are

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yeah that's interesting the 20 of

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sensors being available I know people

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know by now by love and analogy and I'm

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thinking it's like someone sending you a

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picture that shows your partner

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potentially cheating

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and all you see is like the back of them

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next to someone and it could be anything

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but then someone else telling you

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actually four other people have video

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from different angles showing the exact

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same event but we're not going to give

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you that but you'll need to go off with

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a photograph it's that that kind of lack

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of data so you have to kind of make up

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your mind based on that photo at an

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awkward angle that might not even be

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um yeah yeah exactly they were just

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leaning down to pick something up off

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the floor or something and it just looks

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dodgy we've all seen American Beauty you

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leaning over

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dancing okay okay

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um yeah two different interpretations of

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the same situation right there that's

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exactly what we were absolutely it's all

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about angles and metal spheres yeah so

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uh yeah what they ask you though going

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this but I did talk about this online

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afterwards and put a few tweets and

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stuff out about it I I picked up on

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quite early on the no credible evidence

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and I'm in the the hopeful camp with

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that being the word credible is

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important within that I think I might

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have mentioned that but what is to Dr

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Sean Kirkpatrick and we need to

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speculate what is credible evidence of

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extraterrestrial visitation because even

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if they could see a craft that for all

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intents and purposes completely defied

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all known physics

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that's still not evidence there was a

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lot of extraterrestrial visitation as

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much as common sense might say it should

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be we don't know what that is so they

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could still look at a video that they go

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for the love of God they could stand

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there with the Russians the Chinese you

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know the Germans the Spanish whoever

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else the North Koreans and they could

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all watch a video and say that's not any

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of ours and that's probably technically

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still not evidence of extraterrestrial

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visitation is it because

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what would that look like what is that

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if there's no windows and there's no

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little beings at the window waving at

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so there's that whether it's a get out

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of jail free card or whether it is just

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factually it's it's not incorrect is it

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because is there a checklist you know of

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stuff the six observables whatever

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extraterrestrial visitation or something

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that's not human and maybe they maybe

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yeah precisely it's really hard to to

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say like even even if because we've

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heard that these things kind of mask

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their signatures right they manage

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signatures if they were coming from

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outer space it could be that they just

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want to look that way so we kind of have

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to assume that you know there's some

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trickery going on even if we saw them go

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to another planet and kind of land there

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we'd want to see the civilization and

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the organization and you know all the

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intelligence apparatus between kind of

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launching that um and saying okay this

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that they've outreached to or something

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like that so yeah you're totally right

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the the term keeps coming up on my

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even even that as a term just leaves so

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much room to discuss you know

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non-human intelligence but um E.T also

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wouldn't be able to there's no language

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we have to definitively State something

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other especially when you consider that

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Lou said to you Mankind's so we could be

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looking at something human in which case

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calling it human technology is is you

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know a bit disingenuous but you could do

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that it's like not humanizing you know

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that's that old one so we kind of have

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to hold this is why we have to take

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things seriously hold things lightly

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because you know all of these

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definitions and language that we use

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um ultimately it all comes from informed

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speculation right we were talking about

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this before that we started recording

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and a lot of this community isn't from

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speculation and it's really hard to kind

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of find any real data to hold on to so

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in a way I can kind of understand why he

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said no credible evidence because if

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he's hearing single Source testimony and

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things like that and doesn't have access

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to all those sensor systems and the data

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they collected then it's really hard to

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say definitively yes we've seen evidence

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of aliens

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um so yeah we just have to kind of let

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it play out it's going to take time I

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think

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what what else could he say and this is

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one that's probably going to annoy some

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people some people will agree and other

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people will be indifferent but just

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plain devil's advocate for a second if

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in that moment he said yeah we've got

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we've got some evidence potentially of

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it being you know extraterrestrial

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he's not going to say that you know in

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the room with three people

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um and a couple of people in the

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audience which maybe I may not get to

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talking about

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um

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is he going to see that in that setting

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it's not is it the time and place for it

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probably not even though it's a UFO

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heading for all intents and purposes is

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that really the moment for someone to

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come out and say yeah there's some

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evidence of something that's not human

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but we're going to run a few more tests

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you know I I just don't feel that was

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the moment for it um and I think that

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quickly was picked up by people that

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this this hearing is actually do you

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know what you said it and others many

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others said it beforehand and it was

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actually on the the agenda for the

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meeting it's not what this was about

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was it that was even on the page the

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holding page on the this is about you

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know Arrow's Mission you know it's how

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it's been doing its work etc etc

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um is it a little bit like expecting and

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we'll get to documentaries later on a

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documentary to release smoking on

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evidence of you know UFOs or alien life

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existing but it's been in production for

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six months you would hear about it

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before then you know it's not going to

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wait for a TV show episode to come out

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are we going to wait weeks and weeks and

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weeks and months for Dr Sean Kirkpatrick

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to say actually yeah and some evidence

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we looked at back in September 2022

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there was a proof of an extraterrestrial

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life but we're going to do some more go

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do some more research into that that

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that's not going to happen is it we

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would probably have heard if it was

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going to come from him maybe something

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at the time and I could be completely

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wrong with that that might be my

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ignorance but just thinking out loud

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yeah I think that's reasonable we spoke

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I think it was with Nathan and Ryan we

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spoke about like who would he even come

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from if they were to announce this who

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who would people trust you know yeah and

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anyone that's kind of done a bit of

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research into the subject knows that

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it's such a dramatic subject that it's

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hard not to say something simple and

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come off as Sensational so I understand

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the conservative approach I actually

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there was a movie made way back when

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called Intruders that featured Bud

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Hopkins and there was a beating in there

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we he met Air Force Major General Thomas

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Hanley who kind of was in charge of the

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Air Force when Roswell happened

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basically

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um and he had this little kind of Spiel

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I wrote down because I thought it would

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be interesting to read to because a lot

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of people want this just announced and

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when he's talking about Hopkins in the

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movie he he says I'm just going to read

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this paragraph because I thought it was

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powerful and it speaks to kind of the

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ultimate Point

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um he says let's assume for the sake of

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argument that something is happening out

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there what would you have us do should

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the president of the USA go on national

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television and say my fellow Americans

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we have evidences for a superior culture

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out there they come from God knows where

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maybe from outer space Maybe from other

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dimension of existence they are

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abducting our citizens on a regular

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basis conducting experiments on them

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collecting specimens of our over our

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sperm they've been impregnating women

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and then later invading these women's

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bodies again and sealing the unborn

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fetuses for reasons we can only imagine

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and then he says oh well my friend is

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based on the premise of a 30-year

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mortgage you and I can close our eyes

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and go to sleep at night because we're

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pretty sure that the world we know today

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will be there tomorrow and the next day

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and the week after that so I repeat

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doctor until the day comes when we know

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exactly what we're dealing with until we

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can give solid answers the policy of

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this government remains nothing is out

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there it's just science fiction the

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domain of a very rabid Lunatic Fringe

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and I thought that was really powerful

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because ultimately the US isn't going to

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say anything unless they can provide the

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answers and say that people are

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protected against it so you have this

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weird line being towed where they kind

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of have to investigate the unknown and

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admit there's an unknown but at the same

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time make everyone feel safe in their

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houses that the world is going to still

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be here tomorrow and I mean that's

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that's a hell of a juggling job isn't it

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yeah and there's a few things that can

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really change the world overnight in

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that sense like maybe like covert the

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pandemic sort of done that for a lot of

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people

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um in a lot of different ways you know a

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nuclear attack could do that on on you

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know on a land of populated Mass

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um

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Mass Terror attacks do it in a way but

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also any world power coming out and

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saying we've got proof of ET does that

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too and so so yeah no I can get that and

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it's an interesting statement and it's

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it's sort of how I think the government

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of the world do operate even their own

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UK government of you know there's

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something out there but until we can see

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exactly what it is and you know what we

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plan to do about it

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which right now is pretty much nothing

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as far as most people are aware yeah

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totally different conversation though to

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then go into yeah but what about the

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back engineer triangles and all that

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kind of stuff that's

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again I've talked before Diana but that

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spider diagram of that subject if you

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draw in the middle you know UFO and do

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the lines coming off it ET and

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unimentional craft you know even though

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for craft where the craft build how did

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I build them are they growing you know

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is it nuts and bolts do people

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manufacture them there's so many

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different Bubbles and everything that

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come off it it's just but that's why

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people like me and you love this topic

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in conversation and it goes in areas

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that you don't want to talk about or

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maybe don't even like talking about but

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you know and that's some of the things

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we're going to discuss in this breakdown

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is bits and pieces of news that some

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folks absolutely hate and despise but

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there are other folks within the subject

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that treat them very seriously and like

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it enjoy it find it entertaining find it

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informative or have complete faith in it

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and it's it's fascinating to see how

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that kind of comes across depending

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depending on what you do and I've had

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that with some interviews that I've

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thought will this go down well with

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people and it's massive positive

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reaction and then other ones where folks

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are like but there's always people on

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both sides of the fence just to bring up

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Dan

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Josh Boswell at the Daily Mail who

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writes alongside Chris sharp uh usually

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um had an article come out today the

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26th of April as we record this and then

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we'll put the link in the description

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um a couple of talking points from it

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was there Danny Sheehan a lawyer who

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represents louisando and well-known

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lawyer for and you know colleague of

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Stephen Greers over the years appeared

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in a lot of documentaries as apparently

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said he is in contact with six former

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government officials or military

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contractors who say they worked on UFO

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programs these whistleblowers claimed

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they worked on Roswell style UFO crash

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retrieval programs let me come back to

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that and he's also launching a watchdog

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charity pushing for a greater

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transparency

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on that second bullet point that was on

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there the whistleblowers claim they

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worked on Roswell style UFO crash

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retrieval programs to your Dan what what

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what comes to mind as Roswell Style

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I mean

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that that's

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phrasing just puts a bunch of question

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marks over my head because I'm like we

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we haven't definitively identified a

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Roswell style crash retrieval program so

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it's kind of it's almost meaningless but

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for me so I'm asking you though because

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it makes I'm only thinking I'm not sure

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but straight away I was like so does

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that mean people who worked on something

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that crashed out in the desert people

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that worked on crashed saucers people

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that worked on definitive alien

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retrieval programs as it just is

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something crashed that they didn't know

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what it was and had to retrieve It

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ultimately that's what I would have to

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agree that that means just they don't

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know what it was they were sequestering

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stuff that they found that crashed that

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was Airborne from wherever and they were

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working on it whether that's ET or not

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that's that's the whole debate right and

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that's their goal for people who are

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newer to the podcast or haven't heard me

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mention it for a while Roswell was

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likely

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ET crash and yeah I'm all for that but

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I'm just I was just curious on

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whistleblowers who claim they worked on

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Roswell style UFO retrieval programs so

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just interesting language

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um Danny Sheen's a very interesting

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character for the folks who message me

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regularly to ask get Danny sheen on I

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have tried many different ways maybe

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it'll happen eventually but he's a hard

552
00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:00,720
man to get a hold of

553
00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:03,000
um and I'm no doubt he's very very busy

554
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,380
as well he has like a legal

555
00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:06,480
representative so a little bit inundated

556
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:08,700
with working without um in various

557
00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:11,520
different fields but um what were your

558
00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:13,020
thoughts on this one Dan you're I got

559
00:19:16,930 --> 00:19:14,460
you to read this thing just before you

560
00:19:19,789 --> 00:19:16,940
came on it

561
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:19,799
just it just kind of Yang rendered

562
00:19:25,010 --> 00:19:22,559
through it it's again these kind of

563
00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:25,020
whistleblowers who claim you know I'm

564
00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:27,480
kind of like Sean Kirkpatrick here I I'd

565
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,460
love to hear what they have to say

566
00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:30,720
but

567
00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:32,820
just having proof that you worked in

568
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,740
government and saying stuff doesn't mean

569
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:37,200
that you did that stuff

570
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:39,120
um you know for that to be credible for

571
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:41,039
me I would need them to walk me into a

572
00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:42,480
lab I would need them to walk Sean

573
00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:44,100
Kirkpatrick into allow Godzilla brand

574
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,440
into a lab and show them this stuff

575
00:19:50,510 --> 00:19:48,000
um and for it to actually be anomalous

576
00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:50,520
not just you know like these we've seen

577
00:19:54,590 --> 00:19:52,740
honeycomb structures past offers so this

578
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,600
is from an ET craft and it's from a

579
00:19:59,330 --> 00:19:56,400
satellite you know

580
00:20:01,250 --> 00:19:59,340
um so I I really want someone that was

581
00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:01,260
equipped with all the knowledge they

582
00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:03,419
needed to actually go in and look at

583
00:20:07,549 --> 00:20:05,940
these things uh but then I guess that

584
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,559
would be the people themselves that are

585
00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:09,360
talking uh we we've heard numbers

586
00:20:14,510 --> 00:20:12,780
between 12 six four you know uh the

587
00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:14,520
number kind of keeps changing

588
00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:17,400
it's clear someone's talking but we

589
00:20:22,490 --> 00:20:20,160
don't know who and I would love for for

590
00:20:24,049 --> 00:20:22,500
Arrow to as part of the legislation they

591
00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:24,059
were meant to put on a website how many

592
00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:26,580
people have used the the system to

593
00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:28,740
submit classified information yeah and

594
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:30,360
thus far the system isn't up and running

595
00:20:33,169 --> 00:20:31,860
you know we heard during the hearing

596
00:20:34,909 --> 00:20:33,179
they submitted around Christmas The

597
00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:34,919
Proposal yeah they still don't have

598
00:20:40,370 --> 00:20:37,860
anything back so the the DB framed it as

599
00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:40,380
a phrased it as administrative terrorism

600
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:42,120
uh that they're just dragging their

601
00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:43,919
heels and making sure Patrick's life

602
00:20:48,529 --> 00:20:46,860
harder I I feel like he he's in a good

603
00:20:50,810 --> 00:20:48,539
position to kind of separate the wheat

604
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,820
from the chaff here give him title 50

605
00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:53,280
access let him see all those senses let

606
00:20:57,169 --> 00:20:55,080
him see all these historical documents

607
00:20:59,210 --> 00:20:57,179
and and actually take the claims of

608
00:21:01,490 --> 00:20:59,220
these whistleblowers forward to find out

609
00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:01,500
if they're real or not and yeah once

610
00:21:05,570 --> 00:21:04,740
once we know he can share it but until

611
00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:05,580
then

612
00:21:09,169 --> 00:21:07,559
an article in the Daily Mail full of

613
00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:09,179
possibly maybe

614
00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:11,820
uh doesn't doesn't do much for me I

615
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:13,020
would say

616
00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:14,580
yeah look out for my article in the

617
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,980
daily mail tomorrow no yeah but listen

618
00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:18,720
it's better to have something there than

619
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,760
nothing there um so thanks to to Josh

620
00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:23,039
for that and also it writes uh normally

621
00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:25,140
request sharp as well so to Kristen the

622
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:28,020
work he does at Liberation times two

623
00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:30,900
um anything there was uh a really cool

624
00:21:33,649 --> 00:21:32,460
and this is from another interview with

625
00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:33,659
Danny but I always think of it when

626
00:21:38,090 --> 00:21:35,580
Danny comes up he he gave this amazing

627
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:38,100
story this analogy of when a butterfly

628
00:21:41,149 --> 00:21:39,600
comes out of the Cocoon and there's like

629
00:21:42,649 --> 00:21:41,159
this little strand that kind of holds it

630
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,659
back to it I knew you were going to use

631
00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:44,400
this yeah it's good right it's it's a

632
00:21:48,529 --> 00:21:46,620
memorable one and and he kind of

633
00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:48,539
explains that if you cut that strand for

634
00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:50,460
the butterfly then it won't have the

635
00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:51,960
energy and the power that it needs in

636
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:53,640
its wings to be able to fly free and do

637
00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:54,900
its thing

638
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,000
um and he used it as an analogy to kind

639
00:22:00,409 --> 00:21:58,559
of say that's where we are as him with

640
00:22:03,169 --> 00:22:00,419
as Humanity with the subjects you know

641
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:03,179
if if someone comes along and cuts that

642
00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:04,620
string too soon then we're not gonna

643
00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:06,360
have the prowess and the mindfulness we

644
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:07,799
need to actually tackle this properly

645
00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:10,740
and enjoying what is a bigger kind of

646
00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:12,360
community of species than we currently

647
00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:13,140
know

648
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,059
I think the issue is that there are a

649
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:17,039
lot of people who think the Air Force

650
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:18,600
are back inside the butterflies cocoon

651
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:20,700
hauling The Strand and the Butterfly

652
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,500
background for anyone on YouTube they

653
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:24,240
can see me doing the overlapping hands

654
00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:28,080
yeah pulling that strand back in um uh

655
00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:30,600
so yeah and Dr Sean Kirkpatrick just

656
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:32,340
hoping to close the Cocoon back over and

657
00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:35,220
make it SCP someone else's problem as he

658
00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:36,120
said

659
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,460
um so yeah but who knows it's an

660
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:41,039
interesting one and we are going to see

661
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:43,080
again what I was glad with the hearings

662
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,580
the announcement came and the hearings

663
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:46,320
happened within what 10 days there

664
00:22:49,810 --> 00:22:48,840
wasn't a long time to wait uh we've got

665
00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:49,820
the

666
00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:56,100
likely not even see that or know that

667
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,419
it's happened there'll be the

668
00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:59,520
unclassified version due around June

669
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,500
July Dr Sean Kirkpatrick said that he

670
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:04,080
said was running on time hopefully

671
00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:04,740
um

672
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:07,740
Angela brand seemed to be all about

673
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:09,539
supporting his working efforts and

674
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:11,400
making sure things happened that he

675
00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:14,220
needed to happen and including these uh

676
00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:15,539
whistleblowers that we're now hearing

677
00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:17,220
are coming forward and are speaking

678
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:19,080
James Fox so we're going to get to in a

679
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:20,220
moment apparently has interviewed

680
00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:22,380
whistleblowers in DC when he was

681
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:25,100
visiting there I know there are other

682
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:27,000
officials that people would know well

683
00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:29,159
are in DC right now

684
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,740
um discussing UAP

685
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:34,320
um so Anonymous sources tell me sorry

686
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:35,400
folks

687
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,620
um but trusted sources like there are

688
00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:39,360
people in DC just now so it's an

689
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:40,500
interesting one

690
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:41,159
um

691
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,140
we shoot here within a reasonable time

692
00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:46,080
frame or no if progress is being made

693
00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:48,900
and I think if it comes June July August

694
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:51,000
September we start getting towards that

695
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,980
Halloween annual report

696
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,679
is it Halloween that was the it was it

697
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:57,120
was a horrifying report at Halloween

698
00:24:01,970 --> 00:23:59,159
that's right yeah that was the one yeah

699
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:01,980
scary Treehouse of Horror style for The

700
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:03,059
Simpsons

701
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:04,440
um we should start to see that if

702
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,260
progress is being made or as a star you

703
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:09,360
know the Air Force or others obfuscating

704
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:11,340
things and the Cocoon pulling the Strand

705
00:24:15,649 --> 00:24:12,659
back in

706
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,659
bottle which we keep seeing or keep

707
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,760
hearing won't happen but you know we

708
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:19,799
need to see that more progress is being

709
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,720
made because right now it's it's a tough

710
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:24,000
one I think it's a tough one but yeah

711
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:26,460
I'm still hopeful so we'll see

712
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:28,020
um anything else on hearings reaction

713
00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:29,460
from you then

714
00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,559
um in Tim's article at the debrief there

715
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,299
was a little section on what's next that

716
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:35,340
I thought was you know interesting

717
00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:37,320
um he basically kind of explained that

718
00:24:41,870 --> 00:24:39,419
arrow is going to carefully analyze its

719
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:41,880
unknown cases or as Kirkpatrick put it

720
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,460
the very small percentage of UAP reports

721
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,080
that display signatures that could be

722
00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:48,780
reasonably described as anomalous that's

723
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:50,280
a mouthful but it's an exciting

724
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,659
statement you know they're gonna look at

725
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:53,760
the anomalous stuff the that isn't

726
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:55,500
somebody else's problem and kind of

727
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,480
tackle that hopefully the title 50

728
00:25:01,370 --> 00:24:59,039
access will come sooner rather than

729
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,380
later so they can you know very robustly

730
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:03,600
kind of analyze those

731
00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:04,740
um they're going to be putting together

732
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:07,500
a collection plan probably to gather

733
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:09,960
their own data as opposed to relying on

734
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:12,299
just reports so

735
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,860
I imagine that will end up being

736
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,260
somewhat akin to something like the

737
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,240
Galileo project where they'll actually

738
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,400
deploy satellites that you know we've

739
00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:22,679
heard that behind the scenes they've had

740
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:24,659
satellites that geared towards UAP for

741
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:27,299
donkey shows but this will kind of be

742
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:29,400
the first publicly known census that

743
00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:31,140
deployed by the US government to gather

744
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:33,779
data on UAP and Kirkpatrick you know

745
00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:34,980
that that should be able to feed into

746
00:25:38,649 --> 00:25:36,840
that NASA study and things like that so

747
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:38,659
we'll see that road coming together

748
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:43,020
hopefully the OS ousdi issues get sorted

749
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:43,980
out

750
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:45,179
um we've heard

751
00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:47,220
often over the years that they kind of

752
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,620
obfuscate things and the people that Lou

753
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:52,320
Alexander pointed out uh Neil Tipton and

754
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,120
Matt Cummings they're still at the OU

755
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:57,120
SDI so if they are obfuscating things

756
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,980
those guys are a bit of a roadblock

757
00:26:03,769 --> 00:26:01,679
we've also got can I just before you say

758
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,779
the next one um because I hate when

759
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,039
people use words that I don't know the

760
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:07,559
meaning of on podcasts Italy and I'm

761
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:09,419
very aware that I said obfuscate as well

762
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:10,980
so for anyone who's listening to this

763
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,419
thinking listening to those dicks say

764
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,919
the word obfuscate

765
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:15,360
um it does just mean make things

766
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:16,620
difficult

767
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,940
um because I wouldn't have known what it

768
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:19,919
was before someone said so and anyone

769
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,659
else thinking come on Andy we know what

770
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:23,340
it means apologies but yeah there'll be

771
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:24,539
someone sitting there going like that

772
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:27,299
what but nobody's never left behind I

773
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,880
like it that's it yeah

774
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,400
um then we also have

775
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:34,080
um and this has kind of gone unmentioned

776
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:35,279
since it happened but during the whole

777
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:37,260
Chinese balloon thing uh it was

778
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:39,720
announced that uh or the

779
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,299
the National Security advisor Jake

780
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,400
Sullivan was tasked with leading the

781
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:46,500
White House's UAP inquiry which was

782
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:49,620
meant to be independent interagency so I

783
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,760
would hope that we're going to hear a

784
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:52,679
little bit more about that soon uh

785
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:55,860
because that would have access to pretty

786
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:58,260
much everything they need access to

787
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:59,580
um you know Jake Sullivan could just

788
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,320
start kicking down doors and taking

789
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,840
names the last President we had that did

790
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:05,520
something like this was Clinton you know

791
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:07,080
he said that he tasked podesta and

792
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:09,240
things like that to go look at the UFO

793
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,580
files but as podesta said one of his

794
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,200
great regrets was not being able to

795
00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:14,880
release those files

796
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,919
um and this was before the days that you

797
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:18,000
know we're getting the files we're

798
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:20,220
getting now so yeah really curious what

799
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,900
files he was referring to and what they

800
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:24,240
did find and and yeah what what like

801
00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:27,059
that could shed on the situation

802
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:29,159
back in the days of the X-Files like you

803
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,600
know that was all the whole thing wasn't

804
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,400
it yeah yeah that's right

805
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,760
um so James Fox uh friend of the show I

806
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:37,200
like to say because James Fox has been

807
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,520
on a couple of times and we'll be back

808
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:40,500
on again in the coming months uh

809
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,020
director of this um the phenomenon

810
00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:45,600
documentary director of you know

811
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:48,299
um I know what I saw the Virginia case

812
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,960
that was most recent is on Joe Rogan um

813
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:54,000
re-recording this on Wednesday the 26th

814
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,340
of April he's due Thursday the 27th of

815
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,559
April and he's already recorded that's

816
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,480
got announced a few days ago

817
00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:01,980
um and he's on there to discuss the

818
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,720
vagina case and no doubt a little bit

819
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,299
more as well there's nothing to say or

820
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,919
it's almost speculation because we don't

821
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:09,600
know what he said on the podcast but

822
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:11,940
I'll just get my own two cents or two

823
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:14,279
pennies depending on your best uh James

824
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:18,240
Fox lovely guys yeah pesos yeah for yeah

825
00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:19,500
Dan just back

826
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,539
um but yeah James Fox lovely guy he

827
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:23,220
really looks like my dad um which is

828
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,360
weird

829
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:26,580
um I think he's so nice to talk to it

830
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,200
comes across incredibly passionate about

831
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:30,000
the UFO subject

832
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:32,039
um he's a fan of the topic he doesn't

833
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:34,200
mind speculating and I always get the

834
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,640
feeling and I've said this before and I

835
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:37,620
always caveat it by saying in the nicest

836
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:41,279
way possible if anyone who I respect and

837
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,320
appreciate and and listen to like James

838
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:45,840
Fox was going to spell more than they

839
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:48,360
should I think he's the type of guy who

840
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,039
potentially is gonna

841
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,840
listen his tongue a little bit and I

842
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:53,039
would hope if he's going to do it he's

843
00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:54,900
done on a national stage like Joe Rogan

844
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:57,059
because um James doesn't have the

845
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:59,580
attention the phenomenon documentary the

846
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:01,140
Virginia case

847
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:03,179
um documentary all deserve to go back up

848
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:05,400
the charts be seen by more people it's a

849
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,140
type of material that will get more eyes

850
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,600
on the UFO topic and subject

851
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,700
um James Fox a wonderful Ambassador for

852
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,679
the topic in my opinion and it's great

853
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:16,140
to see someone like him on Joe Rogan I

854
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:17,880
hope Joe Rogan's pressed them in terms

855
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:19,860
of questioning James Fox himself

856
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:22,500
wouldn't mind that and it's good to see

857
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:24,779
Joe Rogan back talking UFOs

858
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:28,140
so Dan you made an interesting uh

859
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:29,399
comment when we mentioned this before

860
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:31,559
hit record but you know oh he should pay

861
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,539
for the video and for anyone who who

862
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,279
won't know what I mean by that yeah

863
00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:37,440
James Fox is apparently still as far as

864
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:40,440
we know trying to get his hands on video

865
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:42,779
of the the Creature from the Virginia

866
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:46,559
crash in Brazil that allegedly exists

867
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:48,539
um someone has it and is looking for you

868
00:29:51,649 --> 00:29:49,799
know a couple hundred thousand dollars

869
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:51,659
was it or he's offered I think that was

870
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,980
the offer yeah when someone was like

871
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,720
that's a bit low but yeah that was the

872
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,220
offer out there

873
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:58,320
um if that video is out there you'd said

874
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,700
you know Rogan should just pay for it

875
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:00,960
and yeah do you know what I'm sure Joe

876
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:03,960
Rogan for play money has a couple of

877
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:05,640
million dollars that he can literally go

878
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:07,799
James if you can get that video Spotify

879
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:10,220
deal like yeah

880
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:13,320
and he has a comedy club now that

881
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:15,059
apparently is doing gangbusters every

882
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:16,980
night uh every weekend taking you know

883
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,320
tens of thousands uh the mothership in

884
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:22,559
Texas is so yeah Joe Joe could afford to

885
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,600
just drop that money on the sidewalk and

886
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:26,820
not even look back so and I'm sure

887
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:29,820
Spotify will front the money to Rogan

888
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:31,980
for James Fox if he says you go and get

889
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,740
that video you give me an exclusive I

890
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:36,960
will play it on my show and we'll talk

891
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:40,260
about it first here then yeah go and get

892
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:42,600
it that will pay in itself you know

893
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:44,760
that's that's that's just good business

894
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:47,100
if nothing else yeah and it's also a

895
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,799
fantastic way to get uh what is meant to

896
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:51,840
be a good piece of credible footage out

897
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,360
there or it'll be a good way to

898
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:55,919
completely propose something that wasn't

899
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:58,919
worth it either way it's I think that's

900
00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:01,020
that that would just be sensible and I

901
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,700
hope to God that comes up on the podcast

902
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,320
tomorrow yeah because it's a really fair

903
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,480
fingers crossed uh you know Joe seems

904
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:08,399
certainly one of these people that would

905
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:10,140
go for something like that you know he

906
00:31:12,649 --> 00:31:11,460
he did that I forget the name of the

907
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,659
show now but it was something like Joe

908
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:14,940
Rogan investigates and he went around a

909
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:16,020
bunch of different you know there was an

910
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:17,520
episode on remote viewing episode on

911
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,260
Aliens episode on psychics and things

912
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:22,020
like that and he he said after that one

913
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,399
season he got tired of it because there

914
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:25,440
was no proof and here is a real

915
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:27,480
opportunity where he can you know help

916
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,580
draw a line under something

917
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:31,679
um and really really contribute and like

918
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:33,539
you said before like while we're at it

919
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:34,919
let's let's get that truck clock video

920
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,380
yeah I said Chuck Taylor when we

921
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,260
discussed it before yeah yeah Chuck

922
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:43,039
Taylor's a rock star isn't it um so yeah

923
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:45,419
the Chuck Clark video again if you

924
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,620
haven't listened into the interviews

925
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:48,000
with James Fox go back and listen to

926
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:50,039
them and ideally my interview is not Joe

927
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,539
Rogan's but hey ho

928
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,640
um James Fox has talked about on many

929
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:55,679
different podcasts a video that he has

930
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,659
apparently seen where uh two guys

931
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:59,039
backpacking and I'm going to very

932
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,480
quickly run through it

933
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:02,720
um ended up in the the

934
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:04,679
mid 90s

935
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,500
um filming an alleged UFO above them

936
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,360
with a handheld camera apparently the

937
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:11,460
footage is incredible however massively

938
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,100
degraded to this day

939
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:17,039
um I don't want it it's not 8K well yeah

940
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,380
and it's not going to be but I would

941
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:21,120
like well I'm at it I'd be throwing a

942
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,260
couple of hundred grand or do you know

943
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,760
what can we just meet Chuck Clark a

944
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:25,740
millionaire give him the money go enjoy

945
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:28,020
your life Chuck give us that video yeah

946
00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:31,140
just just that's money to say we'll keep

947
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:32,940
your name out of it No One's Gonna cost

948
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:35,340
you like it is about the material itself

949
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:39,779
and that's I've just named you yeah but

950
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:40,860
William said where he lives or anything

951
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:43,620
no one's docks in anyone but yeah that

952
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:45,419
video was apparently phenomenal you know

953
00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:47,460
the there are still they exist online of

954
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,500
it and it is perfectly reasonable to

955
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:52,080
watch to me you know I jokingly said

956
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:53,460
that AK thing but I really don't care it

957
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:55,080
could be filmed with an old machia for

958
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:56,760
all I care if it shows the phenomena

959
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:58,740
let's get on with it it's probably

960
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,840
better being old footage from the mid

961
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:02,640
90s as opposed to something brand new in

962
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,860
4k because that whole thing what does

963
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:06,299
real look like it's much harder like a

964
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:07,799
doctor and fake videos back then than it

965
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,059
is now when you can do it on your iPhone

966
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,880
so now you just say chat GPT make me a

967
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,679
video of alien sighting and it's just

968
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,080
there you know yeah what it says

969
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,000
actually some something happened while

970
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:19,679
we were in Colombia that you might find

971
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:22,980
interesting basically Ashley was making

972
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:25,620
something to kind of show

973
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:27,240
um to show what the Lights On The

974
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:28,980
Mountain would look like basically and

975
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:31,019
it was the reported site almost like

976
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,279
this light above the mountain that shot

977
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,559
up in the air so we animated that and it

978
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:37,080
very clearly has Recreation on it and

979
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,179
you know it was presented as such

980
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,240
that clip was cut and cropped and ended

981
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,630
typically yeah

982
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:49,679
no credit given

983
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:51,539
yeah always credit people Forks always

984
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,159
trying and if I ever messed that up by

985
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,960
doing it then I apologies but yeah no

986
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:56,940
and you're totally right that

987
00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:58,980
I I would be coping we're all gonna

988
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:00,360
offer to pay for the video

989
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:02,279
um unless James already has it in which

990
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:04,380
case you know good time to announce it

991
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:05,580
um but yeah so that's something we can

992
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:06,779
probably talk about next week but look

993
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:09,300
out for that one um folks Joe Rogan runs

994
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,679
a small podcast himself support

995
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:12,480
Grassroots podcasting make sure you give

996
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,000
Joe a follow on Spotify rate is show I'm

997
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:16,560
sure he'll appreciate it

998
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:18,060
um yeah by some of his merch you know

999
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,040
but you know all pays for the Rogan

1000
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:22,399
families ballet shoes I'm sure yeah

1001
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:25,139
organs a clever guy whether you like him

1002
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:26,099
or not

1003
00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:28,080
very rich very successful it's all good

1004
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:29,339
on them

1005
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,260
um speaking of rich and successful Jimmy

1006
00:34:34,849 --> 00:34:33,659
church was hosting John Ramirez former

1007
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:34,859
CIA

1008
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:37,560
um former guest of the show on Fade to

1009
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,419
Black last night Dan he's going to be on

1010
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:41,700
Vinnie of disclosure team's podcast in

1011
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,320
the next couple of days as well folks so

1012
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:45,119
make sure you check that one out

1013
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,980
um hopefully I'll join on next month as

1014
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,480
well to follow up on some of the

1015
00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:50,460
comments however a couple of things I

1016
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:51,780
woke up to today including a few

1017
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,639
listeners getting in touch to ask me my

1018
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,260
thoughts on it before I'd even seen it

1019
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:57,920
as um John Ramirez said

1020
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,599
2027 is a year that he keeps hearing

1021
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:02,700
being brought up including in Skiffs you

1022
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,900
know closed door briefings he's been

1023
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:05,040
part of

1024
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:06,780
um experiencers talking about the year

1025
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,200
2027 being significant and uh John said

1026
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:12,000
and he did quantify it by saying it's

1027
00:35:17,569 --> 00:35:14,280
just his opinion that he hopes that if

1028
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:17,579
by 2027 disclosure has happened in the

1029
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,320
way that may with government information

1030
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:21,900
you know the UAP task force stuff arrow

1031
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:24,180
and that being's already on the planet

1032
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:27,060
will be able to announce themselves and

1033
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:29,099
and a big way or at least come out and

1034
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:30,420
say you know we're here we have been

1035
00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:31,740
here

1036
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:34,200
this is this for many people as pure

1037
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:35,940
speculation territory and I know the

1038
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,280
comments online have already massively

1039
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:40,680
split down the middle between John's

1040
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:42,599
jump the shark here completely Jordan's

1041
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:44,940
just making stuff up to be fair to John

1042
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,880
Ramirez he does say very often even with

1043
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:49,980
some of the world of speculation and the

1044
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:52,140
comments that it's much of it is just

1045
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,820
his opinion because of little bits and

1046
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,160
pieces he has heard and I think it's one

1047
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:57,599
that was if you're a fan of speculation

1048
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:00,960
you'll love John Ramirez if you need

1049
00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:03,599
named sources dates times facts when

1050
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:05,579
things happened then you may might not

1051
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:07,260
not like a lot of it because John will

1052
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:09,180
tell you I've heard little bits of this

1053
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:11,640
and off the back of it here's what I

1054
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:13,800
think and sometimes that can be

1055
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,540
misconstrued in the day and age of

1056
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:17,820
editing context Clips like you said and

1057
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:22,020
Ash Kerry made a clip gets cut cropped

1058
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,700
and hide out online somewhere else in

1059
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:25,200
the new show do you know what I mean

1060
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:27,000
that's that can happen a lot to John as

1061
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,500
well not to say that it doesn't make a

1062
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,480
lot of kind of kind of weld our comments

1063
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,400
with all due respect um and do enjoy

1064
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:34,680
enjoy talking to John

1065
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,020
um but yeah it's uh as part and parcel

1066
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:40,079
of the UFO topic um and some people love

1067
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,300
to hear it some people don't so that was

1068
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,680
the first comment he made Dan I'll ask

1069
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:45,480
your thoughts on on that when people

1070
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:48,780
name dates specifically they tend to

1071
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,220
come and go don't they

1072
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,320
yeah they do and and we kind of get

1073
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:54,000
these prophecies from so many different

1074
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:55,859
places there's a list somewhere online

1075
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:57,420
of them you know we should have

1076
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:58,859
experienced a whole bunch of things by

1077
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:01,020
now over the last hundred years but

1078
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:02,700
John's just repeating what he's heard

1079
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,680
and and I'm one of these people that

1080
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,720
finds what John says really challenging

1081
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:08,520
but I will listen to what he has to say

1082
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,859
because he is qualified like he does he

1083
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:12,480
does have the background that he says he

1084
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,560
does

1085
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:15,839
um saying in 2027 isn't any more out

1086
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,220
there than other stuff he said in

1087
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,500
previous interviews as well but the the

1088
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,660
one thing for me there would be that if

1089
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:23,640
it's something that said in a skiff that

1090
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:25,020
means it's something that's really

1091
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:27,000
protected and something that shouldn't

1092
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:29,220
be repeated outside said skiff so the

1093
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,660
fact that he's even talking about it for

1094
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:32,640
me is a little bit of a red flag but

1095
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:34,440
rather than dismissing it it would be

1096
00:37:37,609 --> 00:37:35,640
the kind of thing that I'd want to say

1097
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,619
to John hey can you elaborate on this a

1098
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:39,660
little bit because I'm curious right uh

1099
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:40,980
don't throw the baby out with the bath

1100
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,540
water hold things slightly take this

1101
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,359
seriously yeah so interesting and again

1102
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,640
like I said he said it is there the

1103
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:50,220
clips are online folks um

1104
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:54,000
done do you remember obviously Anjali

1105
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:55,800
um who who kind of came and went last

1106
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:57,900
year and something I said I was going to

1107
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,460
mention to you and not tell you what it

1108
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:01,440
was till we hit record

1109
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:03,720
yeah yeah that is that yeah

1110
00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:06,420
um and jolly who for folks who are again

1111
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:07,980
newer to the topic or maybe weren't as

1112
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:09,960
present online last year I think it was

1113
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,180
damn was it 2022.

1114
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:13,920
um this this woman came forward and

1115
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:16,200
jolly who said she previously had a role

1116
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:18,420
within the US government

1117
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,940
um she I I believe she did from from

1118
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:22,500
what she's provided and Jimmy Church

1119
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:24,060
said she'd said having loads of proof

1120
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:25,800
and all that so take that for what you

1121
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,300
will but um I had no reason to

1122
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,280
disbelieve that she came out and

1123
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,200
basically said she had basically proof

1124
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:33,599
of ETS being here on the planet that she

1125
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:34,920
was conversing with with

1126
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:37,020
extraterrestrial beings or otherworldly

1127
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:39,000
beings and that they were they were

1128
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,619
based in a cave and I might be

1129
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:42,660
misremembering some of this but she was

1130
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:44,280
going to go to the cave and take people

1131
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:46,920
to the cave and meet these beings and

1132
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,900
the presentation of it was very strange

1133
00:38:52,450 --> 00:38:50,520
because she'd done it was outside the

1134
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:52,460
Washington Monument um

1135
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:54,900
he was announced as like a briefing a

1136
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,280
formal briefing but then it was just

1137
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:57,839
someone on the steps of the Washington

1138
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:59,700
Monument talking yeah

1139
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:01,800
and just the whole presentation and

1140
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,540
approach to what she was trying to say

1141
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:06,720
and execute was extremely poor if what

1142
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,520
she was seeing is legitimate and I think

1143
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,980
this again maybe speaks to when someone

1144
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:12,720
like a doctor Sean Kirkpatrick could

1145
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:13,980
come out and say we have proof of

1146
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:16,260
extraterrestrial life to do it in a

1147
00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:17,640
certain it's got to be done a certain

1148
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,859
way to really catch the attention and be

1149
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,200
the right way to present the information

1150
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:23,520
and regardless of our previous position

1151
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:26,280
and career that Shamir may not have had

1152
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:28,859
do you remember she also set up an

1153
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:31,260
elimination tournament on social media I

1154
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,300
do I was against a dead celebrity I

1155
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:35,760
remember where yeah um and that that

1156
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:37,500
happened folks I'm not making fun of it

1157
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:38,280
but

1158
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:40,920
as a character Jordan Ramirez said sorry

1159
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,980
Jordan Ramirez said he has Full Faith

1160
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,599
and Angeli in her background and what

1161
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:48,180
she says is being true I personally

1162
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:50,520
don't believe that the Anjali story is

1163
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:51,900
is true

1164
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,359
um for whatever reason uh whether she

1165
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:56,640
thinks it's true and it's not or or

1166
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,920
whatever I just don't see any evidence I

1167
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,960
prefer that whatsoever and it was one of

1168
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,160
those that

1169
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:04,800
it was such a wild claim that she had

1170
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,079
proof of these beings that it was either

1171
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,359
okay brilliant show people the

1172
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,800
tournament thing was ridiculous because

1173
00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:12,720
Christ I think I was up there with Elon

1174
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,099
Musk at one point and you were voting

1175
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:16,260
for who you wanted to go and I'm not

1176
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:18,119
being you know flippant in my comments

1177
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:19,619
here this is exactly what she done like

1178
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:20,820
you said and you were up there was a

1179
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:23,400
Statin Friedman yeah yeah something like

1180
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:25,020
that yeah and it was like vote for who

1181
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,280
you want to go which was all very

1182
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,560
strange and a weird popularity contest

1183
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,440
in itself and then it all got canceled

1184
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,119
because the beings decided they didn't

1185
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:35,220
want to be seen and that kind of stuff

1186
00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:38,099
let's say she is being 100 truthful

1187
00:40:42,490 --> 00:40:39,800
doesn't help

1188
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,500
I'm just gonna correct that a little bit

1189
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:44,640
it wasn't the beans didn't want to be

1190
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:46,260
seen it's at the farmer that owned the

1191
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,800
property didn't work on that so yeah so

1192
00:40:52,810 --> 00:40:51,660
the beings were up for it but the farmer

1193
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:52,820
who wasn't it

1194
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,980
yeah yeah sorry that's a Scottish tunnel

1195
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:57,480
phrase but but yeah

1196
00:41:00,349 --> 00:40:58,260
um

1197
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,359
but yeah that's so again let's go with

1198
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:02,160
that was all true what she said those

1199
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,320
beings are there in a cave

1200
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:06,000
doesn't help that's the kind of thing

1201
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,680
that anyone coming to this topic and

1202
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:09,359
again I'll use an example of any of my

1203
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,859
work colleagues who are interested or

1204
00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:13,140
dip their toe in the UFO topic they see

1205
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,240
that that's the kind of stuff they go

1206
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,240
nah that's just crazy and it's not

1207
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:20,339
helpful so

1208
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,859
yeah interesting one I'm not a fan of

1209
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:24,480
the Angelic stuff myself there was a lot

1210
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:25,980
of weird stuff with that around at the

1211
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:26,760
time

1212
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,420
were kind of moving on from it a lot of

1213
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:31,980
people gonna stop following her I know I

1214
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:34,380
certainly did the best of luck to her

1215
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:35,880
um she's got a family she's got kids you

1216
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,780
know

1217
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:38,760
so yeah I hope I hope things are going

1218
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,900
well for her

1219
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:41,880
um but yeah she's kind of been out the

1220
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,560
UFO topic and I'll just see people be

1221
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:45,000
respectful with it being brought back up

1222
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:46,200
and everything because you never know

1223
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,880
kind of what's going on with that that

1224
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:50,160
whole thing so yeah for sure and and as

1225
00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:51,900
I said at the time it like I'm the same

1226
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,839
as you I don't really believe it but if

1227
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,180
it's an objective fact then I would love

1228
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,280
to be proven wrong you know and and to

1229
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,960
have the privilege of being gone shown

1230
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,359
that cave in that space uh would be

1231
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:04,800
would be a really interesting and

1232
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:06,660
curious Adventure I'd be I'd be happy to

1233
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,240
go still if she still wanted to do it

1234
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,760
um yeah and pay for it and pay for it

1235
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:12,960
yeah

1236
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,700
um but listen and again that's just our

1237
00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:16,560
opinion if you're into the Anjali story

1238
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:18,839
you know all that entails brilliant

1239
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:20,099
great because what I'm going to move on

1240
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:22,140
to next is very similar to that in

1241
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,160
itself

1242
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:25,680
um just welcome to the UFO topic

1243
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:29,280
um Skinwalker Ranch uh sent out

1244
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:31,619
um a kind of press release email and

1245
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:34,320
they they gave a load of folks

1246
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:36,660
um access to a clip that I retweet and

1247
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:39,900
posed the question uh have skin walker

1248
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:42,060
Ranch season 4 episode 3 that's coming

1249
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,859
out next week have they actually found

1250
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:46,140
some kind of proof on video of the

1251
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,700
anomaly that may be causing some of the

1252
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,980
issues on on the ranch the clap showed

1253
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:51,720
Travis Taylor and the other the rest of

1254
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:53,640
the cast basically performing an

1255
00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:54,900
experiment where they were shooting a

1256
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:57,740
firework into the air and the video

1257
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,200
appeared to capture something

1258
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:02,880
as they well they presented it as

1259
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,380
something stopping the firework and

1260
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:06,000
blowing up at a certain height that's

1261
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:06,839
right

1262
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:07,800
um

1263
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,020
Dan I wouldn't speak for you immediately

1264
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:12,000
you you shared your thoughts with me of

1265
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:13,140
what you thought it might be and it

1266
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,760
wasn't dissimilar to what many others

1267
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,380
online thought as well but what were

1268
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:19,140
your thoughts on the clip just the way I

1269
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:21,180
mean the the thing shows up in the air

1270
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,619
is the rocket flares up on the ground

1271
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:25,680
and it's exactly opposite in the image

1272
00:43:29,530 --> 00:43:27,240
and usually that's the kind of thing

1273
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:29,540
that you get with lens flares on camera

1274
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:32,040
however you were completely corrected

1275
00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:33,720
kind of saying you know you'd hope you'd

1276
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,579
hope there was more behind it as opposed

1277
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:37,980
to just this footage uh to be presented

1278
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:40,380
this way and it's the kind of thing that

1279
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,660
I'd love to follow up with with the guys

1280
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:45,420
uh that were present because you know

1281
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:47,460
they for every one experiment we see

1282
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,339
they've done 20 30 days of work on that

1283
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:52,560
kind of area repeated it and repeated it

1284
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,540
and repeated it so

1285
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:56,640
I I would love to see the raw data in

1286
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,740
the elaboration on that uh but

1287
00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:00,480
immediately that that little bit of

1288
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:02,700
footage that little clip uh had me

1289
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,920
raising an eyebrow in in a not so

1290
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:06,900
positive way I would say

1291
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,760
and you know what that's fair opinion

1292
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,740
and it split a lot of people online and

1293
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,420
I was interested in the comments a lot

1294
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:14,280
of people were very blunt with the nope

1295
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:15,960
it shows nothing it's lens flare it's

1296
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,260
just a camera artifact it's it's nothing

1297
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:21,240
um other folks again and this is

1298
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:22,380
something that maybe ran through the

1299
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,660
theme of this this breakdown is the the

1300
00:44:28,089 --> 00:44:26,460
differing sides of the UFO topic

1301
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:28,099
Community what people are interested in

1302
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,599
Skinwalker Ranch has a big fan base and

1303
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:32,160
the story the lore of the history the

1304
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,140
myth and there's a lot of people who do

1305
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,240
enjoy watching it and they take that at

1306
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,579
face value of they have something

1307
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:41,040
there's something potentially there and

1308
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,020
I'll I'll go against your point Dan just

1309
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:44,880
from Devil's Advocate I don't know I I

1310
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:47,880
don't um particularly have I thought so

1311
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,859
either way on it maybe that's what

1312
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,359
something would look like anyway maybe

1313
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,040
it would look like some kind of lens

1314
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:54,960
flare just the way it presents itself

1315
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:57,540
and it could be just coincidence the

1316
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:59,880
same way a batman-shaped balloon can

1317
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:01,260
look like a UFO

1318
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,480
you know yeah exactly that just happens

1319
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,520
but like you say if we're going to go

1320
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:07,680
with common sense and logic it looks

1321
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:11,040
like it's lens flare for me all I'll see

1322
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:12,780
is in terms of opinion and you know

1323
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,940
something you think about is I would

1324
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,680
hope a doctor Travis Taylor and Eric

1325
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,780
Bard Thomas Winterton and co-brand and

1326
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:22,079
Frugal would have the Savvy and the

1327
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:23,700
common sense very intelligent people

1328
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:25,980
were talking about to not just present

1329
00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:28,619
something that prosaic as proof because

1330
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,359
that's that's credited credibility

1331
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:32,640
killing for folks and that is something

1332
00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:34,740
debunkers and Skeptics will jump all

1333
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:37,980
over and they already have but I hope

1334
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:39,420
there's data

1335
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,700
yeah that's why for me I think that as

1336
00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:42,960
much as I'm like oh that kind of looks

1337
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:45,480
like lens flare that's why ultimately

1338
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:46,680
I'm like you know what these aren't

1339
00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:48,119
stupid guys

1340
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,099
I would normally you spoke to him he's

1341
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:53,040
so switched on so I've gotta assume that

1342
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,599
they've gone maybe that was lens flare

1343
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:55,980
let's do it again let's do it from a

1344
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,300
different angle let's raise the camera

1345
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,160
you know there's a whole bunch of work

1346
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:01,980
there that that goes into it and the one

1347
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:03,300
of the reasons I'd like to talk to them

1348
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,839
about that is because they they don't

1349
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:08,640
have control over production right so if

1350
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,900
something like that happened production

1351
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:11,460
could show it in a certain light and

1352
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:14,040
then they while that's happening could

1353
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,020
could find out that it's actually XYZ

1354
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,200
and have a more informed opinion of it

1355
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:21,780
how far that work has gone I I would

1356
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,599
like an update on that to find out but

1357
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,220
um I probably have to sign up to The

1358
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,859
Insider thing for like 6.99 a month to

1359
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,000
do that right

1360
00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:32,160
potentially yeah and I've not seen the

1361
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,720
date on the material yet

1362
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:35,760
um the episode doesn't come out until

1363
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:37,980
till next week folks episode two was

1364
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:40,260
just out last night with the Drone like

1365
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,940
uh grid that looked pretty cool that's

1366
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:43,440
right um I've not watched that myself

1367
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:46,980
either yet not had time but the the

1368
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,980
episode was filmed quite a while ago so

1369
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:51,599
there has been a time period That's

1370
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,920
passed where

1371
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,839
you would hope data has been looked at

1372
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:56,400
presented and I would hope once that

1373
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:58,500
episode has actually been

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00:47:02,750 --> 00:46:59,099
um

1375
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:02,760
put out on for for the world to see that

1376
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:06,180
Brandon Travis Thomas Winterton whoever

1377
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,760
else will will provide some data and

1378
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,680
some some backing up of that as to why

1379
00:47:15,050 --> 00:47:12,960
that was anomalous and not just there's

1380
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:15,060
the video because it's not all One

1381
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:16,740
Source thing isn't it but yeah so and

1382
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:18,599
you know what exactly if it does turn

1383
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,040
out to be

1384
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:21,599
it was a video

1385
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:23,700
it's the human element of things

1386
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:26,099
then find you know mistakes happen and

1387
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,359
it's that's what people aren't

1388
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,880
infallible but that's the opportunity to

1389
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:31,380
quickly can I quash that stuff as well

1390
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:33,540
isn't it yeah exactly like for me if

1391
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:35,099
they came out and said this was actually

1392
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:36,780
prosaic even though we made a big thing

1393
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,280
of it that would add to their

1394
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:41,280
credibility for me whereas I know some

1395
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,260
debunkers in the community would use

1396
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:44,940
that every time they said something was

1397
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:46,680
anomalous they go oh remember the lens

1398
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,079
for it you know yeah for me that's not

1399
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:50,880
the case you know one one experiment

1400
00:47:54,589 --> 00:47:52,619
that turns out to be prosaic doesn't

1401
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,599
mean that every experiment is prosaic

1402
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:57,119
that's not you gotta take everything on

1403
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,780
its own merits yeah 100 and just on a

1404
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,880
similar kind of track side note uh

1405
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,800
Ronnie Ronnie who's a former guest on

1406
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:06,660
the podcast Brazilian journalist UFO

1407
00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:08,099
researcher

1408
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:09,900
um night of the lovely guy he basically

1409
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,359
put a tweet saying that there has been a

1410
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:14,819
major findings regarding unidentified

1411
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,380
anomalous phenomena scientific

1412
00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:18,720
monitoring in Brazil rolls off the

1413
00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:19,800
tongue

1414
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,420
um you use the phrase earlier than an

1415
00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:23,040
exciting mouthful which I never picked

1416
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:24,839
up on it but I thought I'd best leave it

1417
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:27,660
and there's another one

1418
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:29,940
um he said that last week uh four day

1419
00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:32,220
field immersion it was carried out in a

1420
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,500
hot spot in Brazil uh it was Sarah de

1421
00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:36,540
valeza and Rio de Janeiro to record

1422
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:38,339
events of anomalous phenomena and their

1423
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,440
signatures on radio microwave infrared

1424
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:43,140
visible and ionizing spectrums

1425
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:45,000
um the findings just to very quickly

1426
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:46,380
touch on similar to the kind of work

1427
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:48,660
that's on a Skinwalker Ranch there were

1428
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,940
peaks of electromagnetic radiation a few

1429
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,500
minutes before the appearance of

1430
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:54,180
phenomena with Magnetic and electrical

1431
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,339
field values 30 times greater than the

1432
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:58,619
background noise and the same window of

1433
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:00,540
appearance of the phenomena a strong

1434
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,460
electromagnetic signal was detective and

1435
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:04,800
the microwave range near 1.6 gigahertz

1436
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,420
that's a frequency that's talked about

1437
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,400
quite often in the UFO community and

1438
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:09,839
topic when it comes to the science and

1439
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,880
understanding of of various signals

1440
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:14,640
crafter objects may put out and also

1441
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:16,619
there was a response after the emission

1442
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:18,359
of a laser beam through changes in color

1443
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:20,460
and intensity as well as blinks

1444
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:22,140
demonstrating possible intelligence

1445
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:24,420
Behind These phenomena running followed

1446
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:26,280
up more data is needed to corroborate

1447
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:27,780
findings and continuous measurement

1448
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:29,160
equipment will be installed in the

1449
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:31,260
coming weeks so that's one that there

1450
00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:33,660
will be follow-up off the back of um

1451
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:35,579
interesting signs being done there Dan

1452
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:37,319
nice to see that kind of stuff you know

1453
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:40,800
being done any initial thoughts yeah I

1454
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,599
mean I I don't know something was there

1455
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:44,640
something reacted you know like he said

1456
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,440
it was changing colors there seemed to

1457
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:48,660
be an interaction there to me it sounds

1458
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:50,760
similar to what we were witnessing in

1459
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:52,980
Colombia and various other places all

1460
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:54,300
over the world you know hairstyle and

1461
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:56,760
things like that so the more the more

1462
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:58,980
alive Laboratories we can find to study

1463
00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:00,660
this stuff the better and it's so

1464
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:02,280
encouraging to hear that continuous

1465
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:03,780
monitoring equipment is going to be

1466
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:05,400
installed because that's exactly what we

1467
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,460
need the more the merrier yeah and no

1468
00:50:13,069 --> 00:50:10,319
more on that just like I say it's a sign

1469
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:13,079
to sign so go do science yeah go do

1470
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,020
science yeah and anything from yudan

1471
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:17,760
finally before we wrap up I think you

1472
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:19,380
had something else

1473
00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:21,180
um only to I mean I'm touching on the

1474
00:50:26,089 --> 00:50:22,859
hearing stuff again but I realized I

1475
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:26,099
forgot it earlier that Corbell said he

1476
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:28,140
knows and this was you know definitive

1477
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:31,619
fact he knows that uh people in Congress

1478
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,140
have been given the names and the

1479
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:36,720
locations of these Legacy UFO programs

1480
00:50:42,109 --> 00:50:39,720
so clearly

1481
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:42,119
they remain to be checked by uh Dr

1482
00:50:47,870 --> 00:50:46,260
Kirkpatrick but it seems like all the

1483
00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:47,880
right information is get into the right

1484
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:50,339
places or at least starting to so so we

1485
00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:52,200
should see some some progress this year

1486
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,599
in the ndaa look out for that soon as

1487
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,640
soon as it's up I'll post about it

1488
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,000
um but uh also I touch on there was some

1489
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,680
footage that I saw from around the

1490
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,079
hearings where uh people were handing

1491
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,240
dossiers of information to to Jilla

1492
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:08,160
brand this is the audience members I may

1493
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:09,780
have touched on earlier that people may

1494
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:12,180
not have seen yeah and and some people

1495
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,800
you know they have different opinions of

1496
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:15,720
what's possibly in that dossier and and

1497
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:18,059
you know the people presenting it but I

1498
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:19,260
would just emphasize to people you know

1499
00:51:22,730 --> 00:51:20,700
when you're handing politicians stuff

1500
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:22,740
like this they're gonna hand it to their

1501
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:24,359
staffers and their staffers are likely

1502
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:26,760
dropping it in the bin you know

1503
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,680
good that you're doing it but don't

1504
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,140
don't hope for someone like that to

1505
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:33,119
follow your every word we almost want

1506
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,260
them to have an independent

1507
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:36,480
investigation free of all the craft that

1508
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:38,280
we we've kind of built up

1509
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:39,480
um you know Jill brand opened the

1510
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,220
hearings by saying that she was informed

1511
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:42,960
there are Advanced craft in our airspace

1512
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,280
that we don't know who we're operating

1513
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:45,839
and we're unaware of their capabilities

1514
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:47,940
that's an encouraging statement and a

1515
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:49,020
place to battle that's the sound bite

1516
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,000
that that is still the sound bit that

1517
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,800
the military media should pick up on you

1518
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,200
absolutely and gillibrand is going to be

1519
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:58,319
appearing on May 1st on the good trouble

1520
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,780
show with Matt Ford so expect some you

1521
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:02,160
know more conversation around that I'm

1522
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:03,540
sure we can ask her you know why why

1523
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:04,859
weren't there more hard-hitting

1524
00:52:08,569 --> 00:52:06,839
questions and things like that but I

1525
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:08,579
just emphasized to people that you know

1526
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:10,200
the phenomena doesn't care about

1527
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:13,559
hearings ultimately it's out there so go

1528
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:15,300
do the science

1529
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,180
go science folks yeah awesome Dan thank

1530
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:19,920
you very much for joining me um nice to

1531
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:21,420
have some things to run through

1532
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:22,740
um should be back next week to break

1533
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:24,900
down again we'll talk about Fox on Rogan

1534
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:26,460
what was discussed

1535
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,900
um any further updates from anything

1536
00:52:31,069 --> 00:52:29,700
from this week we should hopefully keep

1537
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:31,079
hearing more about whistleblowers coming

1538
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:33,240
forward any of that good stuff

1539
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,920
um and yeah I'm set up for an

1540
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,720
interesting summer hopefully yeah

1541
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:38,880
definitely the things are moving you

1542
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,200
know things are progressing that that's

1543
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,760
all we ever want is just keep getting

1544
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:44,160
that ball down the field you know unless

1545
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:45,480
you're based in the southern hemisphere

1546
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:46,859
in which case we're set up for an

1547
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:48,540
interesting winter possibly

1548
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:49,500
yeah

1549
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,240
well Paul either way we all get to see

1550
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:52,800
Blink 182 play live now and it's

1551
00:52:56,329 --> 00:52:54,420
glorious so

1552
00:52:59,089 --> 00:52:56,339
that is true and remember folks aliens

1553
00:53:01,309 --> 00:52:59,099
exist that is all for this week's show

1554
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,319
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1555
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:03,119
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00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:05,819
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00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:10,319
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ufo-u-a-p-a-m and again folks as always

1567
00:53:32,329 --> 00:53:30,599
keep looking up you never know what you

1568
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:32,339
might see

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00:53:58,610 --> 00:53:37,880
sir

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[Music]

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00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:07,980
to the game

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00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:30,710
there was something on my head and

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00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:43,460
because it doesn't really scare me

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00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:57,830
foreign

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[Music]

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foreign

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